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Saturday, January 14, 2006

Happy New Year

I've been busy as a one-armed paper-hanger lately, but the local issues keep coming up. During the upcoming year, I'll continue to do my best to maintain as much conversational currency on this site as I can.

My thanks to the many contributers to this forum over the past year, and though it might be difficult to prove, I think that the existence of this completely open forum for Murrietans has helped make a difference in our town.

Scroll down and let us know what you think about Warnie Enoch's run in with John Law. Does a criminal indictment mean he should step down as councilman, or is this a ploy to discredit and remove an annoying burr in the developer's behinds?

Scroll down further and read a critique of Jeff Stone's service as County Supervisor. There are indications that criticisms directed at Supervisor Stone might have increased the amount of attention paid by the county to our local traffic problems, let us know if you approve or disapprove of his first year in office.

I will also post occasional unresearched topics to solicit your opinions on matters of concern on national and global issues that might impact back on Murrieta like the Iraq War and the activities of the Supreme Court regarding individual property rights, among others.

Thanks a bunch,
J.L. Kunkle

9 Comments:

  • It was Stone and his Republican buddies that caused our traffic problems in the first place. We need to put a stop to the growth. Nancy spelled it out in her paper, Stone and all the Republicans need to GO !

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:49:00 AM  

  • There are those in this town who try to divide the citizens along party lines. This is an intentional ploy, designed to take the focus off of the fact that a few local politicians are responsible for mismanaging or misusing their elected positions for their own gain or agendas.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:23:00 PM  

  • 1:23 you need to wake up. Stone was bought many years ago by the wealthy men who own the Republicans in this city. We need to clean house. We need citizens who will protect our environment and children from the right wingers who run this town. Only one newspaper in this town is not afraid to print the truth and call Stone and Haynes onto the carpet for what they have done.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:36:00 PM  

  • Murrieta T, I personally appreciate your interest in the subject of eminent domain, which I consider a gateway issue when it comes to abuse or over-use of power by governing entities. Late last year, City Manager Lori Moss indicated to me in a written communication that my input would be welcome on the subject of eminent domain, this in relation to a task force which was considering city policy in this area. After giving thought to what I personally had experienced over a period of many months with the City of Murrieta, I prepared a written response, and I asked that this response be included in the task force's considerations. I do not know if this input was well received or ever even considered, as I did not hear again from the city manager after I sent it to her. The text of my response follows here (below, right after my name), and I hope you and other readers find it interesting. I recognize and respect the fact that not everyone will agree with my thoughts on this matter. Tom Suttle

    If a governing entity wants a property for any reason, the following are recommended
    as basic principles:
    a) If property acquisition is desired for a discretionary need (i.e.: social amenities, such
    as parks) then the willing seller/willing buyer principle should apply. If the city cannot
    negotiate a purchase satisfactory to the seller, the city should accept the fact that it has
    failed in its effort to acquire the property; in which case the seller keeps his property
    and the city keeps its money without further ado.
    b) If property is needed for an unavoidable public need for which alternatives are not
    available (i.e.: roadways), then private property rights should be shown the greatest
    possible respect via compensation at the upper end of the range of fair market values
    determined on a per-square-foot basis for the highest and best use of that property.
    c) Only in situations of type (b) above should eminent domain even be considered,
    and then only after genuine efforts at negotiation.
    d) Property negotiations should not begin with legal threats, and legal threats should
    not become part of a “negotiation” until all good faith efforts to reach agreement have
    failed. And again, the legal factor should only enter the picture in type (b) situations.
    e) There should be a zero tolerance policy for any city employee who attempts - by
    either active or passive methods - any kind of retaliation or retribution against
    any property owner who has attempted to exercise his/her rights in matters related
    in any way to property negotiations or eminent domain.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:25:00 PM  

  • I agree with you two on eminent domain, but Murrieta T explain what you mean about same sex marriages?
    Jeff

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Monday, January 23, 2006 1:21:00 PM  

  • I read the article, but I am unclear on how same-sex marriage could lead to polygamy/polyandry.

    The American Economy is based on property rights. The current powers in charge seem to believe that where property rights are concerned, citizens are equal, but some are more equal than others. Lucre seems to be the deciding factor.

    By Blogger J. L. Kunkle, at Saturday, January 28, 2006 7:21:00 PM  

  • How wonderful to see a Corporation standing up for the rights of average citizens. I hadn't seen this good work alerting us T.
    Jeff

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:40:00 AM  

  • German news commentary
    March, 2006

    It's fascinating that this should come out of Europe. Mathias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publisher Axel Springer AG, has written a
    blistering attack in DIE WELT, Germany's largest daily paper, against the timid reaction of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat.
    This is a must-read by all Americans. History will certify its correctness.

    EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE (Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG)

    A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true.

    Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives, as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements.

    Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then East
    Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe, where for decades, inhuman suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically
    correct alternative to all other possibilities.

    Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated
    and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from
    halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us.

    Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European Appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide
    bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

    Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the
    American reaction in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt
    U.N. Oil-for-Food program.

    And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement. How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic fundamentalists in
    Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany?

    I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually
    believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists.

    One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolph Hitler and declaring European "Peace in our time".

    What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership
    get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians,
    directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.

    It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy
    that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually spurred
    on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will
    always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness.

    Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for Anti-appeasement:
    Reagan and Bush. His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold
    War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against
    Democracy.
    His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.

    In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and
    being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers,
    America and China.

    On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those "arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes.

    Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so
    materialistic, so devoid of a moral compass.

    For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy -
    because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake - literally everything.

    While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they seem
    too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems.
    Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour
    workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".

    These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.

    Appeasement?

    Europe, thy name is Cowardice.

    ---God Bless America---

    GOTTORUN

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Monday, April 24, 2006 9:21:00 AM  

  • Anonymous said...
    German news commentary
    March, 2006

    It's fascinating that this should come out of Europe. Mathias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publisher Axel Springer AG, has written a
    blistering attack in DIE WELT, Germany's largest daily paper, against the timid reaction of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat.
    This is a must-read by all Americans. History will certify its correctness.

    EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE (Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG)

    A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true.

    Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives, as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements.

    Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then East
    Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe, where for decades, inhuman suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically
    correct alternative to all other possibilities.

    Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated
    and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from
    halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us.

    Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European Appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide
    bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

    Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the
    American reaction in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt
    U.N. Oil-for-Food program.

    And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement. How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic fundamentalists in
    Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany?

    I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually
    believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists.

    One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolph Hitler and declaring European "Peace in our time".

    What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership
    get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians,
    directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.

    It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy
    that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually spurred
    on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will
    always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness.

    Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for Anti-appeasement:
    Reagan and Bush. His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold
    War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against
    Democracy.
    His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.

    In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and
    being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers,
    America and China.

    On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those "arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes.

    Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so
    materialistic, so devoid of a moral compass.

    For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy -
    because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake - literally everything.

    While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they seem
    too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems.
    Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour
    workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".

    These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.

    Appeasement?

    Europe, thy name is Cowardice.

    ---God Bless America---

    GOTTORUN

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Monday, April 24, 2006 11:45:00 AM  

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